They say sometimes the first step is the hardest one to take, but in the case of getting started in a new category like lighting fixtures, that first step can be a baby step. So how do you get started selling lighting fixtures?
Integrators offered some sage advice, including starting with small retrofit projects or landscape lighting, before taking the leap to add high-voltage electrical service or full-fledged lighting design to your business. However a CE pro company tackles lighting, and getting educated is vital.
Here are 11 steps to get started in lighting:
Drew Ballsman, owner of HD Media Systems in Jackson, Mo., dove into lighting several years ago following the lead of HTSA. Ballsman says the first step is to understand the lingo.
“I think getting a baseline of knowledge so you can talk knowledgeably on a job site to an architect, to a builder, or to a designer is probably the key thing to do. You’ve got to know the lingo. You’ve got to talk the talk, you’ve got to know what it is. You’ve got to demystify some of it. It’s a lot like audio in that audio tends to want to be overly complicated so that makes it scary to a lot of people.
“Getting some baseline information was huge. Then trying to reach out to partners can be extremely helpful in getting you started. When you are getting into the lighting space, you don’t know the SKUs, you don’t know the product mix, don’t know the lineups. It’s just overwhelming at first.”
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Ballsman says he leaned on his vendors a lot at the outset.
“I would ask, ‘What is this? What am I looking at? How does this go together? That was critical,” he recalls.
From there, HD Media Systems created a lighting matrix chart that covered all the SKUs and the price points. “That helped us define the starting points,” he says.
Jonathan Wesco, president of Allegro in Mishawaka, Ind., started selling lighting fixtures back in 2014, so he has been through the experience of what it takes to establish your company in the space. The difference between now and eight years ago, he says, is the increased manufacturer support for the custom integration channel.
“In about 2014, back when Ketra was still independent, we had the notion that at some point in the future we were going to see controls move into the lighting fixture itself. We realized then that if we’re not in the fixtures business, where’s our controls business going to go? We saw the need to diversify and actually began learning the lighting business so that we could be selling lighting fixtures,” he recalls.
But it wasn’t easy. Wesco remembers going to Lightfair and taking a three-day training course, but still having trouble getting lighting fixture manufacturers to sell to him.
“Today, we’ve got manufacturers that have identified our channel as their future to be able to sell a luxury product. The groundwork has been laid. You can easily create a portfolio of products that allows you to meet the needs of a really good lighting design,” he adds.
Another key step taken by HD Media Systems was to obtain as many samples from manufacturers as it could.
“We wanted to see what we liked and what we didn’t like. Looking only at the literature and reading the specs is helpful, but you still don’t know if you like something until you see the fixtures and how they compare to other things and different applications. Getting those samples is a huge deal, especially with higher-end fixtures it is important,” Ballsman says.
“The samples have helped us close sales to have those samples on the table. When you’re asking for a couple of hundred bucks per fixture, it helps if they can hold that and feel the fit and finish. It sounds silly, but it does have an impact on a client as far as understanding what they’re paying for. Price is an obstacle for a lot of people; they don’t understand how a hole in a ceiling can range from $75 to hundreds of dollars. The samples help people understand.”
One of the biggest inhibiting factors to many integrators jumping into lighting fixtures is business is so good right now, why should they look at a new category of equipment? The resources needed to figure out lighting would be time, energy, and money taken away from existing product categories that are doing well.
But, according to Wesco, that thinking is short-sighted.
“If you can figure out this category now when times are good, then when times are bad and everyone else is suddenly looking for a new opportunity, you will have already positioned yourself far out in front of your competitors,” he says.
As with any new category of equipment, getting your internal team excited about it is important. At GHT, Eric Joy uses DMF Lighting. To familiarize the GHT team with the product, he had everyone pick a room in their home and install some downlights.
“They’re very easy to do. You can swap out your whole kitchen in less than 10 minutes,” he notes.
That simple task was helpful in getting the team onboard.
Also, Mike Libman, national sales director of residential systems at DMF Lighting, advises designating an internal “champion” who can do the legwork investigating the various brands, taking all the training possible, and then working with the vendors and the rest of the team to educate the staff on selling light fixtures.
“When there’s someone that’s a champion for a brand or a category, it’s the fastest way to have that spread throughout your team and get some wins under your belt,” he says.
Wesco recommends dealers not start out on large, new construction projects to test their lighting fixtures sales chops.
“Go into a customer’s home that you’re already working with and retrofit the house to new LEDs using DMF Lighting. If you’re on more of a budget or the client is on a budget use Soraa [lamps]. You can literally go in and re-lamp the house and it’s a really easy sale. You don’t need to know much in order to be able to do that. You can create some significant revenue doing that with literally your lowest skilled folks on staff,” he says.
Libman agrees, saying it is “huge” for CE pros embrace the retrofit category as an entry point for lighting.
“If you’re doing a lighting control retrofit on a project and you are updating a touch panel, on 100% of those jobs you should be pairing it up with light fixtures. It’s no longer about doing lighting controls independently,” he says. “It’s that solution experience. If you want to provide quality lighting and controls in the same bucket, you don’t need to have an electrical contractor on staff. You can actually go in with your crew and swap out fixtures.
“We’ve seen it a lot where dealers get a $20,000 PO or more on a retrofit project. It’s immediate revenue,” he adds. “If your initial step getting into lighting is targeting a large, new construction project, that’s going to take two years to supply, and it’s going to be harder for your salespeople to see the commissions and embrace the category. Doing retrofit lighting is the fastest way to see revenue, it’s the least amount of risk, and it’s the simplest logistically.”
Richard Millson of Millson Home Technologies in Vancouver, Canada, echoes that sentiment.
“Start small. Don’t jump in big. If you make a mistake on a multimillion-dollar home, it’s going to be very problematic for you and your business. Build up over time. If you can’t afford a showroom, look at demo kits, but start small and build. I think this is probably the biggest thing that’s come along our industry in maybe 25 years. It’s enormous. I can actually see some integrators that are currently doing all technologies migrating into only doing lighting,” says Millson.
So many dealers want to focus on the can light, but they forget about linear tape lighting. Asking clients about under-cabinet and toe-kick lights is tailor-made for selling linear LEDs. Early adopter integrators use linear lighting in the usual places like under kitchen cabinets and in-ceiling coves.
“When you ask the lady of the house about under-cabinet and toe-kick lighting, you will literally see a smile come across her face. She will light up. Linear lighting really isn’t that complicated. It’s a little more involved, but it’s something that’s manageable to learn,” notes Allegro’s Wesco. Allegro’s go-to brands are Proluxe from American Lighting, and Colorbeam using a driver for a Savant control system.
Jennifer Kirkpatrick, national sales manager, residential, for American Lighting, says, “With linear lighting, there are so many different spaces you can light linear with — it’s low-voltage, the dealers are already very familiar with low-voltage. I almost call it a stepping stone in getting into the lighting fixture game.”
“Decorative lighting is the ‘jewelry’ added to the architecture, like rings, watches, and necklaces on a person,” describes Glenn Merlin Johnson of Adaptive Design Group, a Park City, Utah-based lighting design and engineering firm. “The decorative fixtures are not necessarily meant for room illumination, but are ‘props’ that are critical to the look and feel of the space.”
Examples could be pendant fixtures, side-table and back-table lamps for reading. In some cases, they can be integrated with dimmable floor receptacles.
The temptation to start selling $12,000 chandeliers is great, but integrators who are into lighting already advise leaving that to the interior designer, while at the same time making sure they select decorative fixtures that are controllable and compatible with the lighting controls.
Moreover, leaving the decorative category to designers is a strong signal of partnership that will help integrators not alienate designers who might want to be more involved in the lighting decisions.
According to Patrick Laidlaw, director of business development at AiSPiRE, the integrator-channel-centric fixture brand from WAC Lighting, landscape lighting is another “safe” way for dealers to dip their toes into the lighting market. There is much less pressure regarding lighting placements and wire runs that an integrator will encounter inside the home. Landscape lighting is simpler to install than interior lighting, and can be a slam dunk sale using a starter kit from one of the manufacturers like Coastal Source or Garden Light LED.
Wesco at Allegro adds, “You literally will start popping in $20,000 to $80,000 landscape lighting packages. Between Coastal Source and WAC you have a beautiful mix of products, and you can create a serious category.”
With lighting design and engineering firms like Light Can Help You and Adaptive Design Group available to assist integrators with full documentation plans and layered lighting design, when is the time to pull the trigger and hire your own on-staff lighting designer or get your staff certified by the American Lighting Association?
The various buying groups have been working closely with the ALA to offer access to their courses, but taking a few lighting design courses does not suddenly give you the same skills that a veteran lighting designer possesses. Moreover, manufacturers offer design services in many instances.
According to Libman at DMF, one of the biggest stumbling blocks he sees among integrators is they want to wait until they are the ultimate experts before getting started in lighting.
“You definitely need to have a baseline understanding and know what you’re talking about, but there is an awesome support network that wasn’t around five years ago. Designers such as Light Can Help You do outsource design for integrators. These guys are fantastic. They know what they’re talking about. They understand your business model,” he says, adding that manufacturers such as DMF offer their own lighting design assistance for dealers.
Wesco at Allegro says hiring an internal lighting designer is a big commitment.
“We’ve run the numbers to determine at what point would we need to bring a lighting designer in, and we’re estimating that it would be somewhere in the neighborhood of at least 20 projects a year,” he says. “If you have less than 20 projects a year, you really have no business looking to hire a lighting designer. It’s going to be an enormous investment. That lighting designer is probably going to be green. He’s probably not going to be necessarily a processes guy, which is really what you need to develop your strategy.”
Wesco uses Light Can Help You to design his projects and often doubles the number of electrical loads on a project after arranging for a joint 20-minute Zoom call with the client and the lighting design firm’s David Warfel and Mark Langston.
“We close eight out of 10 projects that I get on the phone with them, taking projects with a $20,000 lighting controls package to $40,000. Then, when we start selling lighting fixtures, that adds another $40,000. So we can grow that $20,000 project to $80,000 using a lighting designer,” he remarks.
Instead of investing in in-house lighting designers, Wesco recommends dealers look to hire an engineering/accounting person that can manage all of the parts and pieces of a lighting design and execution.
“Preferably someone that has enough people skills to engage the electrician and work with the different parties involved and bring the full execution of the project together. That would be the first hire in my opinion. That’s what we did. We hired an engineer fresh out of school. Anytime our sales guys have a project, if it’s a retrofit scenario, they literally do a debrief with him and he does the full bill of material,” says Wesco.
The biggest question when it comes to selling lighting fixtures is whether a low-voltage integrator needs to hire an electrical contractor to be part of his team, or simply partner with local electricians? The answer is up for debate.
According to DMF’s Libman, “You do not need to have an electrical license to do this. You can buy the fixtures and still have an electrician do the panel and the labor. You spec the product and buy the product.”
Andrew Davis, CEO at Gramophone, disagrees somewhat. He sees the move into lighting as an ideal situation for dealers to expand into electrical contracting.
“The best advice I can give is to find a local electrician that you work well with. Maybe someone who has a smaller operation that may be great at what they do, but not like the business side of it in terms of paperwork, marketing, showroom, and see if you can get your arms around that individual and bring them in-house.
“We all know a good electrician who’s not a good business person, right? We’ve all run into those trades, where they’re like, they’re amazing carpenters, and they can’t run a business to save their lives.”
“I completely agree with what Andrew was saying,” says Millson. “The best way to do this right off the bat is to take it in stages. Just don’t go out and start hiring electricians. You could just form your own division and all that sort of thing. There’s a fair amount to it. By taking in steps, you can learn as you go.”
Millson works closely with a local electrician but recognizes that someday he might become part of the company officially.
At GHT, the company has started its own electrical division for one of its locations, but not in the city of St. Louis.
“St. Louis is a pretty union-heavy town so we’ve decided to hold off on that for now because it definitely complicates things; but in Atlanta, the company has hired a master electrician.
“It’s made a huge impact because it makes it so much easier to sell control, fixtures, electrical and services in a package. It’s easier on project managers; it’s easier to manage everything across the board if you have that extra level of control,” remarks Joy. “Yes, we’ve made the investment in hiring personnel and getting the electrical license. That’s a big step, it took us a while to decide to do that but it has made a lot of sense and definitely is worth doing for us.”
Ballsman of HD Media Systems suggests that even though many integrators are adding electrical divisions, taking away the labor from the electrician can cause channel conflict. He thinks the integrators should focus on the quality lighting design, supplying the product, and being consultative to the other trades while letting the electrician do the installation so he can continue to capture the labor as his primary revenue source.
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Wesco believes you can be successful in lighting without hiring an electrician, but he worries a bit about the long-term situation of integrators working so closely with electricians.
“One of our concerns is we’re literally working side by side on these projects and the electricians, which are ultimately our competitors, are observing our process and what we’re doing. That’s a little concerning to me as a business owner. We’ll have to work through that over the course of time. I see, eventually, probably having some electrical division but it would probably be very different than what a traditional electrical contractor would be,” he notes.
Lee Travis, owner of Wipliance with offices in Bellevue, Wash., and Scottsdale, Ariz., has been doing electrical work for 15 years in Seattle, but only work that comes associated with the low-voltage space. In other words, Wipliance electricians are not out there making service calls on electrical panels for new customers.
“With our electrical business in Seattle, we’re really geared toward the boutique projects. What we mean by that is we do a lot of really cool lighting and a lot of really high margins. That’s what we’re interested in,” he says frankly. “Everything else, we’re trying to send to other electricians … to the builder’s electricians.”
Wipliance’s Scottsdale location does not do line-voltage work because Travis is trying to work closely with electrical contractors as partners there. The large projects there can have up to 300 openings (switches, fixtures, etc.), which can mean big labor revenue for the electricians.
“Electricians think about labor openings, it’s what they do. They think about that before the product. They’re making 25%, let’s say, on the fixtures that they pick up from the supply house.
“They might make $2,500 in profit for $10,000 fixtures, but we’re going to come in and do $100,000 in fixtures. So, if their break-even point is $25,000 on that, we might give them up to 10%, and they can just be hands-off. We’re going to take all this design headache off their hands and we’re going to spec and provide all the fixtures, and we’re going to drive up all the electrician’s labor costs because of all the additional openings that we’re going to have,” explains Travis.
Robert Haecker, president and founder of TRIPhase Technology in Zionsville, Ind., does not have in-house electricians.
“Our approach is more having alliances with a number of electricians throughout the city. We will do the design, and make it easy for them to do their jobs, providing payment schedules, project management to support throughout,” he says.
“What we’ve found is that if you have these alliances they will bring you business. For example, we had one instance last year where the homeowner went to the electrician and said, ‘I want those keypads, or that have engravings, to tell me what lights to control.’ Well, the electricians didn’t do automated lighting. They brought the customer to us and about three weeks later that client spent more than $1 million with us.”
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What do I do with an old light fixture when I’m finished with it? Can I sell it and make money, can I throw it away or recycle it? Yes to all of the above but since each light fixture is unique, you’ll need to see what option works best for you.
If you have an old chandelier that’s too nice to throw away and you don’t want to go through the hassle of selling or upcycling it, you can consider donating it. Nonprofit organizations accept lighting donations for people who need fixtures for their homes. People trying to rebuild their lives after fires, floods, and life events.
Not all nonprofits will accept lighting. If you plan to donate your old light fixtures, it’s best to call ahead to see if the center accepts fixtures. Nonprofit organizations like Habitat for Humanity Restore or the Salvation Army are great places to start. Make sure that the fixture is in good working order, with no rust or frayed wires, and remove all light bulbs before taking the fixture to be donated.
Local recycling centers accept light fixtures and ceiling fans too. Check with your county to make sure they accept the specific items you’d like to donate.
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Will my old fixture sell? It depends. If you can find your light fixture at Home Depot, Lowes, or any big box store and you paid less than $50 for it, it probably won’t be worth your time to sell it. However, if your fixture is an antique tole chandelier that was made in Italy or a heavy wrought iron fixture or even a fixture from 2020 that is really unique or expensive, it would be worth it to try to sell it.
Bottom line, a unique, high-quality light fixture can be sold pretty easily. You need to know what it’s worth and then decide what price you’re willing to accept for it. The best way to know what your fixture is worth is to do your research.
A light fixture is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. The easiest way to find out what yours will sell for (if anything) is to look online. Ebay is a good starting point. You need to locate your fixture on the site and see what it sold for. Not all light fixtures are listed on Ebay so if you can’t find yours, search for its closest match.
These fixtures are not exactly alike but they’re both antique. You can see that with some work the old fixture can be restored.There are two ways to search on Ebay. Go to the site and locate the search bar near the top of the page. Type in a description of your fixture. Something like “brass chandelier” or “industrial table lamp” (no quotes).
Or you can go to “Shop by Category” and use the filters to find your fixture.
Navigate through the categories below to find your light fixture, more than likely, your lighting will be in one of these categories:
After you get to the correct category, go to the filters on the left side of the screen. Scroll down the page and find “Show Only”. Click the box “Completed Items”. This will show all auctions in the category that have ended. You’ll be able to see that some of the auctions ended in a sale and some did not.
Each line will show a completed auction. Prices are shown in black or green. A price in black means the item did not sell. Prices listed in green mean the item sold for the listed amount.
I suggest checking several auctions to get a good gauge. This should give you an idea of whether your item will sell on Ebay and other places and for how much.
Ebay – To sell a light fixture on Ebay, you’ll need an Ebay account and you’ll be responsible for photographing the fixture, setting up a listing, and packing and shipping the fixture when it sells.
Don’t expect to sell your old fixture at retail price. People buying light fixtures on Ebay are either dealers who intend to resell your fixture or a homeowner who hopes to find a good deal on a used fixture. Do your research on Eaby, it will pay off in the end.
If you have a good-quality fixture and/or the fixture is more than 50 years old, talk to the person at the front desk of your local antique store. They’re a wealth of information. They might buy the fixture outright from you or they can hook you up with a person at the store who buys and sells lighting. It’s also possible that the antique store may sell the fixture on consignment for you. If you consign your fixture, expect to give up 30 – 50% of the sale price to the antique store for selling the fixture for you.
Craigslist is a great place to sell (and buy) light fixtures. The only caveat to selling on Craig’s List is that if you make a sale on the site, you need to meet the buyer at a public place when making the exchange and take a friend or family member with you. Safety should be your number one concern. Never make an exchange alone.
You can visit the site at Craigslist.org and click “Create A Posting” to sell your fixture. You’ll need to take a photo of your fixture and write up the details – dimensions, age, condition, and price. It’s an easy way to sell a fixture, plus it’s free.
Selling fixtures at consignment shops will be hit or miss. Don’t expect to make a fortune. Plus you’ll have to give up 30-50% of your sale price to the consignment shop for them to sell it for you. If the shop is an upscale consignment store, you’ll have a better chance of making more money than a “flea market-sell all” kind of shop.
Thrift Stores (also called secondhand stores) and salvage shops are sometimes willing to buy old light fixtures as long as they’re quality fixtures that work. Remember, they want to turn around and sell the fixtures to the next person walking in the door so you will not get retail for the items but you should get more than you would from a yard sale.
There are a few online stores that will buy your vintage light fixtures and antique lighting including table lamps, pendant lights, old chandeliers, wall sconces, and flush mount lights.
Be aware though that if they buy your fixtures, you’ll need to box them up and send them to the dealer and that shipping cost is on you unless you’ve worked a deal out with the buyer.
Try these online stores:
People are looking for deals when they visit yard sales and estate sales. You will make the least amount of money by selling your lighting fixtures here. On a good note, if you sell at a yard sale instead of a consignment shop or online, you’ll get the full asking price (unless the buyer has talked you into a lower price) and you won’t have to worry about packing and shipping.
Newer fixtures sell on Facebook Marketplace but they don’t bring in a lot of money. Check the sold section of the site to see what sells best before listing your fixture.
Antique and vintage chandeliers, light fixtures, and ceiling lights sell well everywhere- Craigslist, Ebay, antique stores, thrift stores, and salvage stores. They also sell well on Etsy but you need to have an Etsy shop to sell on the platform. If you only have one fixture to sell, I would recommend selling on Ebay. Your fixtures do not need to be rewired, or restored for them to sell on Ebay or Etsy. Do not try to sell them on Facebook Marketplace, people are looking for deals and you won’t get what they’re worth. I wouldn’t advise selling them at a yard sale either, the only person who will buy them will be a dealer and they try to pay rock bottom prices. You can get more for them elsewhere.
Restored Vintage Tole ChandelierThere is a market for antique vintage table lamps on Ebay but I’m not going to kid you, it’s a small market. Ebay or an antique store are the only places I’d try to sell my old lamps. I don’t think you’ll have much luck anywhere else but you could always try.
Newer lamps are plentiful and may be tough to sell anywhere besides a yard sale.
Don’t sell a used or old floor lamp online. Shipping floor lamps is really costly. Your best bet to make a few dollars is to sell them at a yard sale or Facebook Marketplace.
Antique and vintage pendant lights sell well on Ebay and Etsy. They’re small and easy to ship. They’re also easy to restore which makes them desirable to buyers.
New pendant lights are plentiful online and don’t cost much therefore a used pendant light will not be worth your time to sell online. You may make a small amount on them at a yard sale or Facebook Marketplace.
Unique lamp shades, no matter the age have a good chance to sell on Ebay or Etsy. It’s all about the amount you’re willing to accept and the time you put into selling them.
Glass shades are not going to be worth your while to sell online unless they’re vintage or antique. Sell them at a yard sale.
An old lamp shade is hit or miss online. It’s worth a try on Ebay. Sometimes the frame of a shade is worth more than the lampshade itself.
Throwing away an old light fixture should be the last resort but sometimes it’s necessary. Fixtures that have broken sockets, frayed wires, or no chain may seem like they need to be trashed but sockets, wires, and chains can be replaced and a fresh coat of paint is a miracle cure for light fixtures.
Upcycled/painted vintage brass chandelierHowever, if a fixture is dented or has a broken column or arms, the fixture may need to be trashed. One exception is an antique or vintage light fixture. If your fixture is over 50 years old, consider selling it on Ebay or any of the places listed above. There are plenty of people out there looking for DIY projects and you might make a little money on the side.
Please note- Fluorescent lamps and lighting need to be disposed of at your local hazardous waste collection center unless the ballast is marked with a “No PCB” sticker.
If you’re looking to create a new light fixture, here’s my post on How to Make a Pendant Light: Easy Step-by-Step Tutorial.
I hope this article helps you decide what to do with your old light fixtures. If you have any questions or comments or if you decide to sell your fixture I’d love to hear how it goes. Reply below, send me an email or contact me through any of my socials.
Until Next Time,
Cherie
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